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Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

charlie — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:20:46 -0000

thanks for the reply. out of curiosity i've gone ahead and applied for beta testing. i'm still getting used to the idea of tv on the pc through tvu. in the meantime, i'll keep reading reviews by people like you who have been kind enough to post your own experiences. thanks and if i have any more questions i'll be sure to post.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 18:05:55 -0000

Charlie, I have tried the Democracy player and the TVU player, but that was a while ago and they were in early beta so they may have improved. I would say Joost is much better than either one -- at least as far as useability goes.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

charlie — Sun, 18 Feb 2007 17:59:04 -0000

not asking for invites but since you've been testing it, I have a couple questions..have you used any of the other services (tvu player, democracy player for example) and, if so, how does joost compare w/ them? also, what have you heard, if anything, on any possible release date or graduation from beta?

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

jeremy liew — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:47:33 -0000

I think the content problem is easily surmountable. The social aspects could help crack the download issue. But the bandwidth problem is very real and may cap its eventual penetration levels. I've blogged about this in some detail at the Lightspeed Blog - click on my name to read more if you're interested

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collintmiller — Sun, 14 Jan 2007 04:53:32 -0000

Tank the crooked way providers currently sell access?

Sounds great to me.

There is plenty of bandwidth, underused infrastructure and overcharging to force providers into their right position as merely packet transporters.

The same could not yet be said for the wireless industry, though I believe their time will come more swiftly than those with wires.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew Ingram — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 19:27:54 -0000

I agree, Juha.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

juhasaarinen — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 18:57:12 -0000

Something like The Venice Project could conceivably tank the shared bandwidth model that ISPs rely on. It's already under severe strain thanks to P2P.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Matt — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:13:31 -0000

TV Browser ...Is a quote from Dirk-Willem van Gulik ,The Venice Project CTO, in a short video on the technology used in the Venice Project .He also explains in simple terms how the developer community will be able to extend the Venice Project for themselves and add even community features .

https://www.theveniceprojec...

Yes this is TV 2.0

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew Ingram — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:42:50 -0000

That's a good way of putting it, Matt.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Matt — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 11:36:44 -0000

As Om Malick points out in his article The Venice Preject cliemt is based on Mozillas XUL platofrom and the Venice devepers will release a API in the near future so any develpers can bulid plugins for the service like they currently do with Firefox or Media players .Consider the TVP client to be a TV browser .

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew Ingram — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:12:33 -0000

That's a good point, Matt -- I hadn't thought of the streams as a Venice metaphor. Good one :-)

And Haydn, you are quite right about the social aspect, which is something I neglected to mention -- how TVP makes it easy to IM or chat with friends about the content you're watching, with transparent windows that sit right on top of the video. Something that takes it out of the realm of regular TV and makes it TV 2.0

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haydn — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:35:16 -0000

I disagree that content will make or break Venice, though they have invested their public reputation in high end content. Bringing connectivity around content is where the zeitgeist is temporarily resident. I think of the Venice Project more as a TV IRC/Im application which is a bit like saying it's a non-virtual Second Life.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Matt Hendry — Sat, 13 Jan 2007 02:27:05 -0000

Why the venice project ???

Think of lots of streams

In this case streaming data from datacenters and users computers

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Tony — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:10:02 -0000

yeah, they had bandwidth caps for a while a few years ago, then lifted them -- thank god. I was going over *all* the time and it was costing me cash money.

Not looking forward to the day if they do that again, nor shaping -- in my opinion its a big lead over Rogers in that respect

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew Ingram — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:07:27 -0000

Not yet, but from what I've heard bandwidth caps are likely coming, and it wouldn't surprise me if bandwidth "shaping" likely is too.

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Tony — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:05:07 -0000

Well, its sympatico for me ... at least they don't throttle traffic (yet). ;)

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Mathew Ingram — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:42:01 -0000

You might be right, Tony -- there might be plenty of bandwidth around. But that doesn't mean Rogers has to let us have any without charging us an arm and a leg for it :-)

Re: Vene, vidi, Venice — the TV killer

Tony — Fri, 12 Jan 2007 22:39:13 -0000

Not so sure about "crashing" the internet ... with the Taiwan earthquake crisis, we learned that al that extra redundancy by pre bubble telco's came in handy. I suspect that we probably have some of that around North America, and I wonder therefore, if the crash will come this year at all.