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I wasn’t at CaseCamp the other night, but I came across a minor storm of Twitter messages (I refuse to call them “tweets”) both during and afterwards, about one of the presenters — namely, an online fiction/marketing experiment called Story
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4 months ago
I do find it fascinating. Jill Golick no doubt set out to provoke a reaction, at least on some level. What she didn't count on was, in return, being provoked herself.
It is fascinating how it is playing out, how we are still figuring out how to exist with each other in the electronic spaces.
4 months ago
lot of this out -- and in fact, this kind of thing has been going on
since the Internet was invented (which wasn't really that long ago,
when you think about it).
I found it interesting that Jill mentioned in her original post how
she thought Facebook used to be just kind of fun thing for students
but has become more professional and business-like, and how that might
have led to some of the negative reaction from people.
4 months ago
I do have one point of clarification. I hardly think I have enough influence to have caused the deletion of the profiles of Jill's characters. Facebook had representation at the event as well. I haven't had any dealings with Facebook or their representatives.
Regardless, I think there is a much bigger issue at stake here. I am saddened that at events like CaseCamp we are unable to ask questions without creating firestorms and personal attacks. These events exist to help us learn from one another. Life isn't always warm and fuzzy. Part of the learning process is being able to discuss issues and think critically about new ideas in a mature manner. If we can't do that anymore, what's the point?
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4 months ago
got the characters deleted from Facebook, only that the two events
happened more or less concurrently. And I agree with you that
something like CaseCamp should be a forum where issues like this can
be debated openly and honestly, otherwise what is the point of having
it in the first place?
4 months ago
And Connie, I wasn't intending to provoke, I was playing and trying to give some folks a laugh. Provoking was just an unanticipated bonus.
4 months ago
If you visit the blog, you'll know. My picture is there along with various other profiles including LinkedIn. I also have another alter ego. Her name is Paradise Wunderland and sometimes she can be found in Second Life. I'm upfront about that too. I'm Eden Spodek on twitter and Facebook, but you probably already knew that. ;)
I hope we can continue the discussion in a respectful manner.
4 months ago
I wasn't bothered by it but there was a difference between myself and Eden... I'd encountered the story before and discovered the Facebook profiles as part of meandering through the "story".
Where I think Jill screwed up, and I told her this later, was having the characters proactively "friend" people on facebook who we're not engaged in the story. When people got the friend invite, many of them checked to see if they had mutual friends & many did because many people who were engaged in the story had Added the characters as friends.
The difference though, was that the engaged people ADDED proactively - rather than an unsolicited, uncontextualized invitation.
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Eden
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I think this entire thing is over the top. We shouldn't be applying notions of corporate transparency and that type of misrepresentation (walmart flog etc.) to an art project. They aren't even close to the same thing.
Oh well, at the very least, one can say the experiment did it's job. Art after all, is not only meant to match your furniture, its larger role is social change and commentary. Whether you like it or hate it, the fact that it made you think makes it in my mind a resounding success.
4 months ago
All media eventually get to the intersection of the medium itself, art/content and commerce. It's always an uneasy relationship, but it's ultimately the users of the medium who determine what they demand from it and what they reject.
I'm disappointed, but not surprised that the "creative community" has reacted so viscerally and resorted to cliched name-calling and stereotyping. There is a need for discussion and debate with the people who are shaping this medium. All are welcome.
David Jones
4 months ago
the term "fucktard" even once :-)
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I think the point is applying marketing and business practices the same way we do to large brands and corporations when it comes to "transparency" and other blah de blah we love to tout in the new media space to an individual and her experimental art project is unreasonable.
I thought Brendan Laraby, (want to be paid TV writer one day according to his blog profile), had a very thoughtful post on it -
http://aboyandhistvshow.blogspot.com/2008/05/di...
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