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Hey Dave — you have to let go of RSS

Started by mathewi · 10 months ago

Full disclosure: I know diddly-squat about RSS. I know what it does, and I know a little about how it works, and I use it - but I’m not a programmer, so for example I don’t know why sometimes my feeds have weird characters in them where the quotes should be, or wher ... Continue reading »

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  • Paul Montgomery

    3 years ago

    But it's not a democracy.
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  • Rick Thomas

    3 years ago

    Please take a look at Atom. Atom exists because Winer blocked early attempts at an open RSS standard. Now Atom is an IETF standard; RSS is merely de facto. Atom is more precise than RSS for current uses (it solves the funny characters problem). Atom is extensible in an orderly way; RSS is "simple" but limited. As syndication applications grow the good design and new features of Atom will prove it to be a more powerful solution.
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  • Ben Houston

    3 years ago

    If you look into RSS history you'll see that it is filled with political machinations with Dave Winer at the center. The political nature of RSS motivated the creation of Atom, which addresses most issues with RSS via the Internet Engineering Task Force, an effor that was lead by Canadian Tim Bray (who back in the 1990s led the development of XML.) Dave Winer though has fought a battle against Atom for reasons similar to why he is now fighting the RSS Advisory Board. The need to keep himself central has also motivated Dave to attack those that try to spread the use of the format-neutral "web feed" terminology for RSS and Atom feeds. Dave's attacks on Google started when Google adopted Atom [1] and his attacks on Microsoft were motivated in part by that companies use of the term web feed [2].
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  • /pd

    3 years ago

    not sure if atom is a ietf standard. Its still draft status waiting iesg review.
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  • /pd

    3 years ago

    further comments :)- http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4287.txt

    I should have added the wg timelines too..

    Apr 2006 Request Last Call for Atom editing protocol
    May 2006 Submit Atom editing protocol to IESG for consideration as a Proposed Standard
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  • Tim Bray

    3 years ago

    RFC4287 is an IETF "proposed standard" - which is a first-class IETF standard (see http://www.ietf.org/tao.html#6.4). It's done, cooked, ready to serve.
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