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Mathew's comments: Gawker, the WaPo and the death of journalism

  • Jay Rosen · 4 months ago
    Bet you anything the reporter did not write that headline and that the person who did is from an older generation. Just a hunch of mine. But you did say Shapira uses a considerable helping of hyperbole in referring to his tale as “The Death of Journalism, Gawker Edition."
  • ianbetteridge · 4 months ago
    It's not so much the death of journalism, but the death of expensive publishing business models. When you look at the figures that he includes, in order to make the same profit mark up as Gawker, the WaPo would need to make around $950 from that story alone. Do you think that's likely?

    And that if you're looking at the profit margin in absolute terms - to do it on percentages, it would be more like making $7,500+...
  • palafo (Patrick LaForge) · 4 months ago
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    @mathewi I agree the headline on that piece was hyperbolic, compared to the more nuanced article. Perhaps an homage of sorts to Gawker?

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  • TammiM (Tammi Marcoullier) · 4 months ago
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    @mathewi tried to send you DM or chat. Best way to get in touch offline?

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  • harrisj (Jacob Harris) · 4 months ago
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    @mathewi quibble: academic excerpts are often in the context a longer synthesis or direct argument against, not just a simple paraphrase.

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  • StevenHodson (Steven Hodson) · 4 months ago
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    @mathewi good post - nice to see you still posting bud - here's what I thought about that mess http://bit.ly/9zheN<br />
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  • Marshall · 4 months ago
    via links in footers are b.s. imho
  • mathewi · 4 months ago
    Yes, I agree that "via" links are not sufficient -- and I agree Gawker could have done better on the attribution front.
  • mathewi (Mathew Ingram) · 4 months ago
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    @StevenHodson: thanks Steven

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  • mathewi (Mathew Ingram) · 4 months ago
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    @harrisj: a key word in your description is "often" :-) still, point taken.

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  • harrisj (Jacob Harris) · 4 months ago
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    @palafo @mathewi headline was likely written by a copy editor?

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  • mathewi (Mathew Ingram) · 4 months ago
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    @harrisj @palafo: possible -- I know from personal experience that that kind of thing happens sometimes :-)

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  • William Mougayar · 4 months ago
    Mathew,
    I'm with you on most of it, and have been watching the ping pong on that story (or Ying Yang). "Death of Journalism" was a slight exaggeration.

    The irony is that Gawker's coverage gave him a boost in click-backs and notoriety, and that's the sad truth that native online media is trumping mainstream online media (in most cases). And they did that without adding any value in terms of analysis or viewpoint (unlike Techdirt which adds something).

    At the end of the day, it's about monetization. Shapira's last post received 100+ comments vs. ~ 70 for Gawker (am not sure about # of Views), so it's up to WaPo to monetize that traffic to make-up for their "loss".
  • Ryan Holiday · 4 months ago
    Mathew,

    I don't mean to put words in the reporter's mouth but there is something strange about all this that no one talks about. Gawker essentially outsourced all the labor of the story to the Washington Post and at the same time gets credit for being lean and efficient and profitable. Apparently the paper is supposed to be grateful for the link.

    I'm not saying the solution is lawsuits or more complaining but it's just funny that people like to hold up these sites for their business models and then don't examine the subsidies they take advantage of.

    Ryan
  • mathewi · 4 months ago
    Yes, I think that's a fair point Ryan. But the same could be said of any site -- or any publication for that matter -- that specializes in commentary, analysis, satire etc.
  • William Mougayar · 4 months ago
    The key thing that Gawker provided him is access to an online audience that wouldn't have read the story on WaPo. On the strength of that segment, it boosted the whole story's readership.
    If this was an AP originating story, Gawker would have had to pay AP to re-publish it (even in abreviated form)- hence that's why the editor is upset about this.
    A case could be made that Gawker should pay something to reprint a story that originated elsewhere. Links back are not a form of payback (although they could be monetized).
    On the other hand, how different is this from Gawker re-publishing a story from Techcrunch for e.g.?
  • DrPangloss · 4 months ago
    Good note. A small point, Shapria got 2 stories, so to speak, for the price of one. Also it seems that wisdom doesn't in the new media era necessarily come with age. Assuming of course that Shapira's editor is older than he is.
  • William Mougayar · 4 months ago
    Shapira has now over 200 comments on his post, and he made it on Techmeme. Perhaps @ianshapria should have another talk with his editor!
  • mathewi (Mathew Ingram) · 4 months ago
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    @drbrake: I'm guessing, but I'll bet most of the people who thought that would never have seen the WaPo story in the first place

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  • liza · 4 months ago
    may I point out it's summer, readership usually is down and henceforth "the death of journalism" articles have become the way for media companies to concern troll their way into linkbaiting if not linkwhoring their way out of low CPMs?

    want more proof? LIFE.com's kissing Digg's proverbial pingback
    http://twitter.com/LIFE/status/3107477824

    WTF?!?!

    so ... yeah ... nothing to see here. this has happened every single year since at least 2003 when i first heard of the "death of journalism" meme.

    expect it to happen again in February (when ad buys for the year will once again not happen like in the golden years) and next year's summer.

    meh.
  • drlawmom (Dr. Candi Wallace) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea Missed you past few days. Working hard, mom duty or both? Congrats on kid's cast removal! Skin's all crusty tho' huh? Yuck.

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  • TheJLV (Jose) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea did you see this? http://bit.ly/DzKUH<br />
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  • blogdiva (Liza Sabater) · 4 months ago
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    @TheJLV tl;dr :D is it an actual video series?

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  • blogdiva (Liza Sabater) · 4 months ago
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    @TheJLV no! who's site is it?

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  • blogdiva (Liza Sabater) · 4 months ago
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    @drlawmom thanks bb. been working mighty hard indeed. son's arm is more scaly than crusty. looks gross :P thanks for asking.

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  • TheJLV (Jose) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea it's ours :-)

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  • TheJLV (Jose) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea oh yes!

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  • blogdiva (Liza Sabater) · 4 months ago
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    @TheJLV for PR they mention Schomburg but not Sylvia del Villar?!?!? oh snap. let me get my blade :D it's a HUGE project. good 1st effort ;)

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  • TheJLV (Jose) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea you can always add your voice, miss. not that you weren't. just haven't seen many others do it besides u and I.

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  • blogdiva (Liza Sabater) · 4 months ago
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    @TheJLV do you know them? they need a wiki, like, yesterday. this kind of project needs it.

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  • TheJLV (Jose) · 4 months ago
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    @blogcodea I don't. Found it from one of my friends on facebook. Use their contact page. Make it happen.

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  • MaryAlan · 3 months ago
    This is a really interesting debate. I've gone through and read the original Post article, and I read The Gawker blog post in question. In my opinion, The Gawker did nothing wrong by quoting the Post article extensively. The most obvious point which proves The Gawker article was not plagiarised -- The author used large quotation marks to distinguish unoriginal content from original content!
  • Absolutereturn · 3 months ago
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