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But that still didn't seem to please him because then he took offence to the whole term of slapfest at which point I gave up - and here I thought I was a cranky old fart ... maybe he could give lessons.
1. I was invited to Gnomedex to talk about what I'm working.
2. My presentation was designed to be three equal parts: talking about internet pollution, talking about my solution to part of the problem, and a spirited Q&A. The second I said the word "Mahalo" Dave berated me.... I mean, common courtesy might be to wait until the Q&A, or as former friends to maybe talk to me 1-on-1 post my talk?
3. If the conference was a "don't talk about your projects" conference I would HAVE NEVER said two words about my current project. I could have spent another 10 minutes on other people's solutions to spam/pollution and went right to Q&A. I was never told not to talk about my project, and 10+ other folks talked about their projects.
I'm really sorry if I broke some Gnomedex rule, but I've been to three Gs in four years and I've never seen this kind of behavior. Of course, now I'm getting many, many respected folks emailing me about Dave having a pattern of berating people at conferences.
As I said, I'm sorry if I broke some rule, but it's a rule I was unaware of. I've been speaking for 12 years at conference and I've never had someone berate me in mid-sentence. I' m all for spirited debate during the Q&A, but again common courtesy would argue that you let a person state their case before ripping them apart.
That being said, Dave might have good points about us having an API... which we're working on. I don't know that I agree with his benchmark that a project needs to be a platform that he can make money from to be valuable or interesting. That me be his personally benchmark, but it is certainly not the benchmark of success in the real world.
all the best,
Jason
One of the podcasts I listen to is the Buzz Out Loud Podcast and never heard of Mahalo until Veronica Belmont left to work for them. I probably don't have to right to say this because I'm not connected with that crowd from over hear in the southeast but my first thought was, "Hmm.. I wonder if Veronica is having second thoughts about leaving CNET." Yeah, not the most educated insider thought but I'm not an "insider" (as far as I know) but it was a "first thought."
At the same time, I don't know how you could ask a speaker NOT to talk about their company & experiences...
This is so interesting, in light of my recent attendance at BlogHer 2007 and a conversation I was having recently with Tom Abate of MiniMediaGuy.
See: http://minimediaguy.org/2007/07/30/3rd-blogher-...
- and read the comments
In a nutshell, one reason why I love BlogHer is that its tone and culture is markedly different from any other tech or media conference I've attended. Specifically, the pissing matches there are few and muted -- whereas at most other tech/media conferences (which are largely organized and attended by men), pissing matches like what you described above are rife and even get played up as a kind of main attraction in the blog coverage.
Just food for thought.
- Amy Gahran
i hope mr winer's point is considered, and i hope he makes up with mr. calacanis and they enjoy a group hug. one can be pissy at conferences but one can also lose friends and support. this is america.
Moderator said "be nice". Other chat users say "ignore User722". Praise for Jibjab continues. I see head of Scoble dancing in hula skirts with head of Pirillo. I am honestly bored.
I say Jibjab has nothing to do with Web 2.o and is silly, freaking boring. Moderator says "watch your language". I get banned.
Back to Winer vs. Calacanis.
Winer uses "spam" incorrectly, accusing Calacanis of "spamming the conference" with promotion messages about Mahalo.
Glad to be the King of Blogocombat. I'm on Jason's side in this particular skirmish.
It's okay for him to call us spammers in the context of paid postings but not okay for him to receive the same criticism for hawking his product in a keynote?
Still, I have a problem with shouting someone down in the middle of a presentation, and I think Dave was wrong to do that. It would have been better for him to simply blog or twitter it, but interrupting a presentation with that sort of accusation is rude, and didn't really invite any kind of meaningful discussion.
Which is, of course, my criticism of Calacanis. He jumped up and pointed fingers without really listening to the other side or giving some of us credit for being honest enough to disclose exactly what we were doing.
Sometimes I wonder if this kind of drama and spatting on and offline isn't just a new method of linkbaiting.
We should create a "drama creatr 2.0" which we would import the names into and then it would generate battles for us :-P Imagine the fun! It could even be an iPhone App!
And thanks to all who liked my headline :-)
http://www.centernetworks.com/my-recap-and-thou...
Your usage of said mark violates the CC license issued to me by the Nigerian Internet Foundation (NIF) to which I am a charter member. Should you not remove said mark within 18.5 hours, I will be forced to create a fight with you in the "blogosphere" in an effort to add inbounds to my count.
I appreciate your handling this matter in a confidential, yet proper manner so as not to invoke the "Rule of Thirds" which basically says that you must have at least 3 inbounds for every "ego" post.
Thank you.
Really glad this article came out. Was watching the whole back and forth via twitter (blog postings, comments, etc). Both made interesting points, but didn't know which to believe. At least this is an independent view of what's going on......
The only way we could calm them down would be to have Zuckerberg walk in on water.
(and how will they all get along at TC20? Mike will have to coordinate entrance and exit points like the handlers do for Hollywood ex's on the red carpet)
Can you imagine being any of those guys' wife?
Just imagine them going at it in a head of household competition.
And imagine their speeches upon eviction :-P
Men are more combative. Men are less enthusiastic than women. The highest praise a guy generally has is "not bad", whereas women say "that's adorable!"
Men like to brag and compete. Women seem to be more nurturing, soothing, supportive. Wars have historically been fought mainly by testosterone addled nincompoop males, who would rather punch you in the nose than listen to a different POV.
Male vs. female blogging is a very interesting study.
Thanks for bringing up this issue, Tish!
Which lead me to think: one woman's A-list is another woman's knitting circle (no offense to knitting circles...)