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Re: A "citizen journalism" trifecta of failure

tish grier — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:04:42 -0000

Rod...one of the reasons I wrote my post, (and perhaps one of the reasons Jeff Howe posted this followup was in part because of the sense that participation issues weren't sufficiently discussed--when they were a significant and important part of the project.

and thanks David--"the hardest working young man in journalism"--Cohn for posting the link to my participation post :-)

Re: A "citizen journalism" trifecta of failure

David Cohn — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 14:39:40 -0000

"The way the end state of Assignment Zero was described made it sound like a regular MSM outlet with editors, topical departments, set assignments & deadlines, and so on."

Actually it was the reverse. We started with topical departments and set assignments with editors.

That was when it wasn't working. There are a couple reasons for this. One, I think, was that we were dictating where the story would go.

Then we constricted and basically said: Okay -- no set departments -- let's just do interviews. It was a set task -- but the interview could be with anyone (assuming a contributor could make a case that the interview was related to crowdsourcing).

We made a list of people we wanted to interview, but some of the best ones were suggested by contributors (usually the person who suggested the interview followed up by actually doing it too).

But there were no set beats during the interview process. Everything scaled on the assumption that we were just trying to get a specific task done.

The feature stories that we did were a result of a more MSM newsroom organization.

Re: A "citizen journalism" trifecta of failure

rod / techfold.com — Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:25:29 -0000

Interesting to see that in many cases citizen journalism requires similar structure to traditional journalism to thrive; i.e.: the way the end state of Assignment Zero was described made it sound like a regular MSM outlet with editors, topical departments, set assignments & deadlines, and so on.

In one sense, this shouldn't be a surprise for anyone. Say what you will about the merits of MSM, its had several hundred years to evolve to its current state.

It seems that the imposition of structure is an all or nothing proposition: either there's no agenda, or there's a comprehensive structure set-up to achieve an agenda. Agenda without structure flatlines. Structure without a consistent agenda results in push-back - as was the case with the Digg HD-DVD key fiasco.

Interesting times!

Re: A "citizen journalism" trifecta of failure

digidave — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:57:41 -0000

It was an interesting day in citizen journalism. A confluence of forces -- excellent wrap up.

I wrote a little about my experinece at AZ on my blog , but Tish Grier did a much more thorough job:

http://spap-oop.blogspot.co...

Re: A "citizen journalism" trifecta of failure

Eric Rosser Eldon — Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:49:16 -0000

I was just thinking the same thing! But what about The Washington Post launching its own local site at around the same time?

Auspicious timing. Er.